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Prophetic word for today

Out of the old Church

First posted: November 29, 2004

E-mailed: November 28, 2004

Word received by: Louanne




My adult daughter and I went to a church we had never been to before with an older couple we really did not know, although I feel for some reason we were staying with them or renting a place from them. There was also a very young male child with us. He was not mine or my daughter's and he was physically not the other couple's child, but I and my daughter felt he would be better off with us. My daughter was holding him, keeping him more towards us.


When the service began, the pastor was elevated, like on a stage. He was above the congregation; it was a very large church, and it was packed full of people. He started preaching, but he never quoted anything from the Word of God; there was also no worship. I kept feeling "Something is not right here", but I did not want to jump to judgment.


Then, in the middle of his preaching, he went over to some woman and laid hands on her, and she went out in the spirit. Everyone in the church was excited, but I thought, "No way! God's anointing presence is not even here". I said to my daughter, "We are out of here", and we left. 
I know the other couple stayed. I don't know if we took the child.


(I got up at 4:15 AM this morning. I checked your web site. When I did, that is when I remembered my dream.)


Our comments


Sister Louanne and her daughter represent the latter-day prophetic remnant. Sister Louanne represents the remnant's spiritual maturity, while her daughter represents the remnant's spiritual youthfulness and vitality.


The older couple represents the people in the Church who uphold the Girgashite structures of human traditions and doctrine inside the Church. As we have shared before, the people most "bound by time" are the Girgashites, since the Girgashite spirit is one of earthliness and temporality. Their attachment to "temporality" and their workaholic life of earthly worries and burdens makes them age quickly, because they have chosen to expose themselves to the "law of entropy", i.e.- to the "wearing down" produced by time.


The fact that sister Louanne felt as if she was either staying with the older couple or renting a place from them speaks of how God's prophetic remnant has had to live under the covering of Girgashite structures inside the Church, like the "lion under cover" mentioned in a previous prophetic dream we received. As the prophetic remnant has lived under Girgashite structures, she has been forced to pay "rent" in a spiritual place that actually belongs to her and where she should be able to live for free. This "rent" has consisted in completing religious requisites and spiritual "paperwork" that God never asked of us:


"24And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee." (Matthew 17:24-27)


The young male child represents the promise of our spiritual manifestation. As we have said many times, the "male" in Scripture is generally a figure of the "spirit", while the "female" is a figure of our "souls". This young male child was not begotten through human, Girgashite methods but rather by God Himself. This is why the young child was not physically the older couple's child:


"12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12-13)


The fact that the young male child seemed to be in some way under the older couple's care is a figure of how God has given man the responsibility to nurture and care for the spiritual manifestation of God the Father in his neighbor. Unfortunately, man has hindered that manifestation instead of aiding it:


"41Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a dayís journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Fatherís business? 50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them." (Luke 2:41-50)


Since Girgashite man has hindered the Body of Christ's spiritual manifestation, God has given the care of that manifestation to others who truly understand its importance. This is why sister Louanne and her daughter began to hold the child and keep him more towards them instead of the older couple:


"He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid." (Luke 20:16)


The fact that the pastor appeared on an elevated stage above the congregation speaks of how pastors have made themselves lords over God's sheep. They promote an Old Covenant belief that they are the Church's "ministers", while the rest of the folks are just "sheep". This has stymied the spiritual growth of believers in the Body and has turned the Church into an Amorite kingdom, instead of it being the launching pad from which God's true kingdom will take over the Earth. 


The fact that the church was large and packed full of people speaks of the "ground-swell of Girgashite support" that has maintained the Amorite domination inside the Church. As we have said before, earthly Amorite kings need the support of many souls to maintain their kingdoms. The Girgashites' support of Amorite kingdoms prolongs these kingdoms. This is why the older couple (which represents Girgashite influence) was in the audience, submissively listening to the pastor as he spoke.


(While the older couple represents the Girgashite influence inside the Church, the pastor represents the Canaanite influence; therefore, the pastoral matriarchy of the Church, i.e.- the domination of Canaanite pastors and Girgashite teachers is represented in this dream.)


The fact that the pastor did not quote anything from the Word of God is a prophetic figure of how most services in congregations around the world seem like "a night at the "Improv". The Bible is a "sealed book" to most pastors, because the hardness of their heart prevents them from hearing the voice of the Spirit. Since the Bible no longer speaks to them, they start "improvising", and they begin to speak a great deal of earthly, human things of no spiritual value, with no anointing and no testimony of truly being before the Face of God:


"9Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. 10For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. 11And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: 12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. 13Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" (Isaiah 29:9-13)


As we have shared before, pastors who stray from the Spirit tend to become judgment-hating Canaanites. This repudiation of God's spiritual judgments closes their access to God's Word, since His logos Word, by His very Nature, produces judgments and death to all that is contrary to God. This is why the following verses appear shortly after the verses quoted above:


"20For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: 21That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought." (Isaiah 29:20-21)

[As we have said before, gates in Scripture represent judgments. Therefore, this passage speaks of how the Canaanite influence inside the Church has led to the repudiation of God's spiritual judgments.]


Pastors prefer to preach a "tolerant" message of "mercy" and "blessings" that increases their popularity-base at the price of the believers' prophetic callings, which leads to congregations trapped in a Sheol-abyss of Hittite emptiness and purposelessness. This is why the chapter prior to Isaiah 29 (quoted above) says the following:


"14Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. 15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: 16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. 17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. 18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report." (Isaiah 28:14-19)

[The word translated as "hell" in verses 15 and 18 is the Hebrew word "Sheol"]


This leads to churches that manifest a false power that entertains but does not transform. The power is not "false" in the sense of being "unreal"; this power is most definitely real. However, it is still "false" because it is not based on a foundation of truth and righteousness. God is not the source of this power but rather the Hittite spirits of deceit that move in the spiritual atmosphere of the congregation. God gifts us with the ability to release spiritual power, but that gift is like a "plug". Our hearts decide what outlet we will plug our gift into. If our heart is bent on His justice, judgments, and kingdom, we will plug into the outlet of the Holy Spirit and "draw in" God's power. If our heart is bent on earthliness and self-satisfaction, we will plug into the outlet of Hittite spirits and "suck in" Hittite power. This explains why the pastor laid hands on the woman and she "went out in the spirit", even when the anointing was not there. The spirit she went out on was not the Spirit of God, but rather one (or more) Hittite spirits of deceit. The fact that the pastor laid hands on a woman is a prophetic figure of how "ministers" tend to release power that is aimed at pleasing the soul, not the Spirit, since, as we said before, the "woman" is generally a figure of the "soul" while "man" is a figure of the "spirit".


After all of the above, it becomes evident why sister Louanne did not hear any "worship" in the dream:


"23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:23-24)


A believer who is ruled by "soulish" things cannot worship God, because He must be worshipped in spirit. A believer who is more interested in "feeling good" than in seeking God's judgments cannot worship God, because He must be worshipped in truth. Congregations where Hittite spirits of falsehood and deceit predominate cannot worship God, because worship requires sacrifice, and that sacrifice is the giving of our hearts (i.e.- our wills):


"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." (Hebrews 13:15)


The phrase "giving thanks" in the verse above was a mistranslation of the Greek word homologeo, which literally means "to confess". This word is a combination of the words homo, meaning "the same" and logos, meaning "word". Therefore, to "confess His Name", means to say the same logos words as He does, which means to "judge as He judges", to "judge in according to the Righteous Nature of His Holy Name".


The fact that sister Louanne and her daughter left while the older couple stayed is a prophetic figure of how Girgashites prefer to stay under the "warmth" of religious structures, even when God is really not there, out of fear of being "out in the cold", so to speak. Of all the 7 evil spirits that we have studied, the one that produces the greatest "fear of dying" is the Girgashite spirit:


"14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." (Hebrews 2:14-16)


Notice how the passage above relates the "fear of death" to our "lifetime", which speaks of our earthly, temporary existence. Since Girgashites place their faith on their earthly, temporal existence, they have a well-developed fear of death. They do all they can to prolong the temporal existence they have placed their faith in.


In a sense, Girgashites feel like they will "die" if they are not somehow attached to a religious structure, even if that structure is inherently corrupted. They feel like they are not a member of the Body of Christ if they cannot show a nametag identifying them as "member of such and such church". Obviously, being a member of a church is not wrong in and of itself, but it is wrong if you prefer to stay in that church rather than risk the loneliness of the "desert" where God wants to speak to you:


"19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see? 20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind: 21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself. 22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. 23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him." (John 9:19-23)

[Notice that verse 22 speaks of "confessing" Christ, which correlates with the "confessing" mentioned in Hebrews 13:15. In verse 22, the original Greek word from which "confess" was translated is also homologeo]


Sister Louanne's leaving (along with her daughter) is a prophetic figure of how the true remnant is not afraid to die to the old Girgashite structures, even if that means being left "out in the cold". The remnant prefers to face death at the hands of the enforcers of the religious structures (represented by the "Jews" mentioned in verse 22 above) rather than abide in an atmosphere of Hittite-Canaanite falsehood and Jebusite-Girgashite legalism. The remnant refuses to remain trapped inside the triangle of evil. The remnant's prophetic nature is willing to defy the domination of Amorite kings whose rule is prolonged through the intimidation of spiritually coward Girgashites who are afraid to "die". As we have said before, prophets are the "kamikaze" squad in God's army, they cannot be dissuaded by Amorite "death threats". Their total disregard for their own lives makes them dangerous to the Amorite kings. It is through a prophetic people that is willing to die to self and to the human religious structures that God's latter-day Glory shall be manifested on Earth.


"28Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Mosesí disciples. 29We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is. 30The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes. 31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. 34They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him." (John 9:28-38)

[As verse 28 shows, most believers prefer to stay in the body of Moses rather than the body of the Anointed One ("Christ"). When sister Louanne did not perceive the true anointing, she left. The older couple simply stayed.]


[Notice how the man was able to worship Him (v38) only after he was cast out of the synagogue. If you are too afraid of being "out in the cold", you will stay in with the old.]


The reason why sister Louanne does not seem to recall if they took the child with them is because the child left inside of them. As we said at the beginning, the child represents the promise of our spiritual manifestation. King Jesus was born in us when we accepted Him as our Lord and Savior, and God wants to make Jesus grow inside of us until He is manifested through us with power and glory here on Earth. The only requirement to ensure that manifestation is the disposition to abide under His judgments; no "religious titles" are necessary. As you live a life that longs for God's judgments over you and the people around you, the Spirit will begin to be manifested in and through you, and you will become a channel of God's life-transforming power on Earth, and, on that final day, when you see Him Face to Face, He will confess before all everything that He did in and through you, just as you were willing to confess Him here on Earth:


"14Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. 15Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? 16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potterís clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" (Isaiah 29:14-16)


The time, 4:15 AM, mentioned by sister Louanne, also has prophetic significance. Since an hour has 60 minutes, 4:15 AM is 255 (=240 + 15) minutes into the day. The number "255" is "15 times 17". The number "15" represents the true manifestation of the "male" ministries inside the Church, which will enable the true manifestation of believers' spirit nature. Why? Because 15 equals 5 times 3, and, as we have said before, the number "5" represents "grace to minister", and the number of "male" ministries is 3 (apostles, prophets, and evangelists).


As we have said before, the number "17" in Scripture is related to the manifestation of God's prophetic remnant. Therefore, the time 4:15 AM, which is minute #255 (= 15 times 17), means that the time has come, hallelujah!, for the Spirit manifestation of God's prophetic remnant in these latter days. Notice what verse 17 below declares ... God's peace process is already in progress!!


"17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest? 18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel." (Isaiah 29:17-19)


"21For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act." (Isaiah 28:21)